LYL PODCAST EPISODE 019: The Enneagram with Stephanie Davis

The Enneagram by Dr Michelle Gordon

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The enneagram, unlike other personality systems, is a deep dive into what makes us tick. Furthermore, the enneagram offers unique insights into our subconscious programming, revealing powerful forces that can guide us towards self-discovery and personal growth. It will be especially helpful for those of us in our menopause years, because it is such a time of self-discovery for us.

Firstly, To help us understand, our guest for today is Stephanie Davis, an enneagram expert and a trainer educated in business, psychology, and systems theory. She’s been doing this work for about 30 years, working primarily with corporations. To begin our exploration of the enneagram, we’ll delve into the nine different types and their general characteristics. Then, we’ll discuss how to identify your type and the benefits of doing so.

Basically, It is truly informative and fascinating; you don’t want to miss this one! So tune in and learn more about self-discovery through the enneagram.

Before anything else, Let’s go through a brief rundown of this episode:

(02:28) The enneagram is a deep dive into what makes you tick. Unlike other personality systems, it goes deeper than behaviors.

(04:23) Oscar Ichazo came up with the enneagram of Personality in the 70s, taking psychology and ego development and mapping it on the symbol.

(08:39) What you can get from learning the enneagram is a perpetual self-busting machine. You start to see things about yourself that you never realized.

(12:02) In the enneagram, what makes you your type is how “messed up” you are when it comes to your heart/passion (emotional distortion), head/fixation (mental distortion), and gut/subtype (instinct).

(16:42) There is a key emotion for each triad. Within each triad are three types: one type tends to overdo the key emotion, the other is the opposite, and the last has a weird relationship with it.

(18:06) An example of the gut triad. Gut triad: it’s all about the boundaries, and their key emotion is anger.

(25:27) There are no accurate enneagram tests. We pick up our behaviors from our parents and social expectations. This wiring is not something you can include in a test, and the most it can do is give you a starting point of where to look.

(26:56) The gut triad (1, 8, 9), what makes them tick, their ego, and how they react.

(26:01) Type 1

(26:56) Type 8

(29:33) Type 9

(32:20) The heart triad (2, 3 4): what makes them tick, their ego, and how they react. This type focuses on social relationship dynamics. Their overarching issue is shame.

(33:33) Type 2

(37:26) Type 3

(42:25) Type 4

(46:16) The goal is to loosen the illusions of your type, not change your type. Your strengths are still there, but your weaknesses will be a lot easier to deal with.

(51:43) We’re all going to have certain characteristics of nine types to some degree. Each has an interesting relationship with the two types beside them. Meanwhile, the two types that connect to yours in the diagram are your opposites.

(57:23) The head triad (5, 6, 7): what makes them tick, their ego, and how they react.

(57:45) Type 5

(1:00:58) Type 6

(1:07:46) Type 7

(1:13:37) Other theories from Katherine Fauvre and Claudio Naranjo, and the continuous evolution of the field

(1:21:52) Resources for your growth

(1:24:13) Going through the nine enneagram types and drawing a caricature for each

Resources mentioned in the episode:

The Untethered Soul by Michael Singer
The Complete Enneagram by Beatrice Chestnut
The Road Back to You by Ian Morgan Cron and Suzanne Stabile
The Wisdom of the Enneagram by Don Riso and Russ Hudson

Moreover, We discussed a lot of things today, and I’m sure you have a lot of questions. In conclusion, if you have any questions or inquiries, please feel free to send them to me at Additionally, be sure to subscribe to our podcast for future episodes on personal growth, wellness, and menopause-related topics. After that, Head over to Stephanie’s site if you want to take an enneagram test. In conclusion, This test is geared toward finding success in life.

In addition, For help and guidance on healthy living in your menopause years, you can check my website. Also, go ahead and follow me on Facebook at Dr. Michelle Gordon.

That’s it for today, and thanks a lot for tuning in! See you in the next episode!

Dr. Michelle Gordon

Surgeon, TV Host, Author, Speaker.
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